Confusion over orals/clen and cramps

  • zerchersquat400
    Confusion over orals/clen and cramps
    on: 2014-03-14 02:03:10
    First off thank you for answering my previous question regarding clenbuterol and injection pain with Propionate. As a side note I switched from Prop to Test E and was no less lean as a result of it on this cutting cycle and actually prefer it because I feel it more than the prop and it is DEFINITLY less painful to inject. Also, to let others know, the possibility of cramps is VERY real when using clen..not run of the mill cramps but it felt like my adductor and sartorious was going to come out of my skin! Im talking rock hard, relentless, nightmarish leg cramps that render one a helpless, almost crying, individual. I started using Taurine and potassium but it didnt help so I quit it cold turkey. Next time I will frontload with those things before I use clen. Now onto my question: I am finishing up my current cycle of test and tren prop and had great results, decreasing my bodyfat and dramatically increasing my separation and vascularity. I would like to maintain as much of this as possible while trying to put on lean size next cycle. I plan on running a 16 to 20 week cycle of Equipoise 600mg/wk, test cyp. 500 nto 750mg/wk. I have done quite a few cycles over the years. I am 44 yrs old, ex powerlifter, pretty lean at 198 to 202 lbs depending on the day. I have never used an oral. I dont want to blur my definition or deal with estrogen related sides right now. I plan on using adex half a tab 2x a week like i usually do. Which would be superior for lean gains and strength too., Anavar or tbol? Anavar is less cost effective but is on sale at Naps this week. Even then its still not very cost effective. I reallly want to use dbol sometime but thats probably best saved for a more traditional bulking cycle..correct? I would use no more than 50mg/day of Var for the first 8 weeks of my cycle due to the cost. Tbol I could run longer 40 mg and up if needed for 10 weeks. What do you suggest for a lean gain cycle like this one? Either of the aformentioned or something else perhaps? I would like to order the Var this week if you think that would be best. Thanks for your help!
  • IFBB Undercover
    Re: Confusion over orals/clen and cramps
    on: 2014-03-16 01:57:28

    About the clen and cramping, sorry to hear the taurine didn't work out for you. I know the pain you're talking about and yes, it can be awful! I'll use 1000mg taurine, up to a couple times a day if needed. I would also make sure that you have enough water and enough sodium in your body. I just wanted to pass this info on, in case you are consider running it again in the future. 

    As for your debate between var and tbol, I would choose var every time. I find that tbol is very toxic. Thats the experience I've had, looking at blood work, and the experience I've seen working with clients that want to use it. I don't know. Just one of my least favorites. Var would do the trick and give some awesome strength. I usually reserve it for a cut. Orals tend to effect my appetite, but when I'm dieting down, I'm always so hungry that it doesn't matter. Personally, I might opt for something like NPP for the first 8 wks. It'll kick in fast and not get you too water filled, You might gain a little fluid on NPP, but not so much that I couldn't compete on it, if I wanted to.