personally, i would avoid oral primo. it is not highly bio available and in the experience i've seen with others, it ends up being a waste of time. the only time i would possibly consider it is for use by a female athlete and even then, i would much prefer a low dose of the injectable version. if you want an oral that has very low side effects, hard, lean gains, and a decent amount of strength, look towards anavar. i have expereince with GP anavar. i have used it as well as females clients i have worked with. it is dosed well and is legit! somewhere in the ballpark of 50mg for 6-8 wks is ideal for a male. although anavar is considered a "mild" steroid, it is still a steroid, thus PCT is required. pct starts the day after you finish your anavar. nolvadex, wk 1 40mg ED, wk 2 and 3 20mg ED.