I actually have some personal experience with this one. I would not run win without test. As the days and wks went back, my libido got lower and lower. I no longer had enough test production to make me even remotely comfortable or normal. Winny is going to shut you down, just like any cycle will. At the least, you will want to run some form of test, even if it is prop, at 25mg EOD or 100mg test e, EW. Yes, this is still a cycle, just a small one. Once you start taking hormones, they shut you down. You may not get shut down as hard but faster acting compounds at low doses for short times, might help to make you recover easier . Also ann in HCG on cycle