Thx again for all of your advice on this forum. It is priceless. My question is as to whether it is better to hit the slin, gh and other peptides before or after training. I have seen great discussion on both. My experience has been only as to slin (I seem to get much better pumps if I take before). The other part of the equation is timing. My schedule may cause me to train early, afternoon or evening. Obviously I don't want to hit the slin if I'm training close to bedtime, but what about just prior to? I am careful to carb up and keep more on hand but concerned about peaking during the work out (using Hum R). I have been hitting the slin (low doses for now) 2 or more hours prior to training, eating/drinking like crazy up to and hammering some good shakes (carbs, whey, bcaas, creatine etc) during with good results. I am just wondering what the benefit is to taking slin just prior to. My assumption is whenever you utilize slin, it will assist in the absorption of more carbs/protein than normal. So if done several hours prior to training, if one is throwing carbs/protein in during the (approximately) 4 hours the slin is working, it is pretty much turned into glycogen and stored until used up while training. AM I on track? So my thought is by hitting the slin a couple hours prior and loading up on the carbs, etc, I am filling up the muscles with glycogen to train intensely. The protocols I have seen for pre w/O is GH, then a short time later IGF, then a short time later slin, then train (with ample food intake of course). Just as an fyi I would be throwing in ghrp/cjc as well, post. As far as post protocols, it seems much the same, just after training (gh, igf, slin, etc). The difference is these protocols use large amounts of gh and done on training days only. I'm just curious as to how that would be more beneficial after as my understanding is you need the nutrients during mostly and immediately after secondarily as that is when the muscles start repair. Hope this makes sense, apologies for the length. Thanks so much once again!