So I been doing a lot of research I'm a bit confused on how would a bulking then cutting cycle would look like with pct. So if I run lets say a 8 to 12 weeks cycle with just tren and sustanon do I inmedistly run a cutting cycle idk with test and winstrol right away. For another 6 to 8 weeks (which will put me at 14 to 20 weeks cycle and then pct for whatever long or do I do my bulk then pct and then cutting?. Another thing what's a good put when using tren. For what I understand it shuts you down pretty hard. Please help and thanks