For most guys, I would have them run test, mast and tren right into the show. If you are lean enough, you should look almost ready before you even touch water manipulation. Make sure that you use a healthy dose of AI to control estrogen. For most guys, they think they are holding water, but in fact, they still had some fat left that was resistant to the fat loss diet. These guys have to keep pushing. Its super important to have a second set of eyes to help make these decissions. This is where a coach comes into play. You want someone that you trust and are willing to listen to. It makes it a lot easier to listen to someone else and frees you up to just do the work that needs to be done to get you to your best shape. If you or anyone else is interested, hit me up at the Next Level Nutriiton page, here at Naps Gear.