I like 1 Test Cyp at 600mg. Thats a nice dose. As for injection pain, I have not had a problem with it. I've seen one guy that could not use it because of the pain, but this was the only case out of many many guys I have talked to. I can't comment on his injection technique or any other factors that may have gone along with his issue, but outside of him, I have seen many do well, specifically using Geneza's 1TC. Just keep in mind that it takes awhile to kick in. Maybe the longest to kick in of any steroid I have used, but once it did, I was happy with my experience, the 2 or 3 times I have used it. Fo be sure to give yourself a longer cycle, like 16 wks plus and yes, kick starting it with something faster like dbol is a solid idea...or hell, maybe even some NPP for wks 1-8. I'd say it was between wk 6-8 that I started to see magic. Of course, it was working from the first day I injected shot 1, but thats when I could see the changes