I dont suggest tren e in a first cycle for a lot of reasons I have covered time and again, in the QA, but if you want to use it, I would start around 200mg EW and see what kind of an effect that gives you. You should start to see the results after about 4-5 wks. But you will notice a change in strength before that. Personally, I would hold off on tren until you have done several cycles and then when you do try it, use tren ace as it is easier to control