Usually the new guys want to run oral only cycles because of the stigma of injections. Thing is, injectables are far less toxic and you can more easily add an oral to it. So something like 300-500 test cyp or E. Then you could use the oral tren. 3 wks on, then 3 wks off. With a 12 wk cycle, that would give you plenty of time to mess around with OT. Or if you really wanted to use Dbol, 30mg for the first 6 wks and then use OT. Then after a short break of a couple week, addom 250-5000mcg for the last 3-4 wks. Remember, that stuff is really strong!