I would want to have test as a base. With that, I actually have used this combo. I prefer to stay away from so many orals at once now but I did it once at 25mg dbol for 8 wks, 50mg Dbol for 5-6 wks. Test run throughout for 8 or 10 wks. Now days, I would much prefer to see test with another injectable, say NPP 100mg EOD along with one of the orals.